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swoosh81
06-26-2007, 01:39 PM
Does anyone have both on there gun? If so, can you lower your pressure below 200? Also do you have the long or short regulator. Thanks...

th3_0n3
06-27-2007, 11:47 AM
with a CP reg you can lower the pressure to 130 psi im pretty sure. but the VS-2 will not work quite right at that low a pressure. i have a shorty cp reg

spitfirocks
06-28-2007, 10:10 AM
mine has a cp reg, and operates at about 190ish.

swoosh81
06-28-2007, 10:54 AM
Well my problem with the stock reg when shooting psp ramping it decocks after about 50 shots (reg. set at 300+). So I'm just wondering if the cp would help with that problem. When I shoot just semi the lowest I can get it is 210, so I'm just trying to compare the two.

samus129
06-28-2007, 06:24 PM
sounds like your reg isn't broken in yet.
have you shoot the gun at least 2000 times with air?

Theheroguy
06-28-2007, 07:06 PM
is it oiled you might wanna also try using one detent

KillerPanther
06-28-2007, 11:06 PM
it really helps to have the cp combo i have it and havent had it decock yet i run it 280+

swoosh81
06-29-2007, 04:20 AM
Gun has been shot in excess of 20,000 times.
Gun gets completely cleaned and lubed after every use.

I just think the reg. is a p.o.s.

samus129
06-29-2007, 08:54 AM
i run my vs2 at 210 psi with psp ramping and no problems in semi i can run 190 now problem.
also try charging your battery.

swoosh81
06-29-2007, 11:24 AM
i run my vs2 at 210 psi with psp ramping and no problems in semi i can run 190 now problem.
also try charging your battery.

Running 210 p.s.i. with psp ramping, that's quite hard to believe. Do you have any videos to back that up? The reason I'm asking is I haven't seen any get under 300 p.s.i. and that's 6 different vs2's.

I don't care for java batteries so I use a fresh duracell every time I use the gun. I don't see how the battery would effect it recocking anyway.

Drefish99
06-29-2007, 11:32 AM
I don't care for java batteries so I use a fresh duracell every time I use the gun. I don't see how the battery would effect it recocking anyway.

That may be your issue. The java batteries when charged distribute 9.6v to the board. If you noticed on the board is a fairly large capacitor. This is used to keep the board charged as the noid in the frame takes quite amount of current to activate. 9v batteries are just that 9v. They don't supply Spyder ESP frames quite enough current to work well in semi let alone PSP mode. My suggestion is to use the supplied battery. There has to be a reason why all Spyder ESP frames come with them rather than standard 9v.

This would effect recocking as there wouldn't be enough current to activate the noid to lower the striker catch to activate the striker.

swoosh81
06-29-2007, 12:57 PM
Psp ramping isn't available on stock boards. So I thought eveyone would realize I was talking about a tboard or virtue. I guess not.

Drefish99
06-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Even those boards have the big capacitor. They are all rated and made to use the 9.6v Java battery.

swoosh81
06-29-2007, 01:02 PM
Damon told me he suggests using the 9volt duracell over the java battery.

Drefish99
06-29-2007, 03:54 PM
From a good friend of mine at Kingman.

Definitely using a 9.6 volt battery will give you a reliable and constant power supply especially during high rates of fire. Any enhanced firing will increase the consumption of power and the power source needs to maintain a certain level for the marker to function properly.



If you have a chance to monitor the power drop off from the battery every time you shoot the marker, it is anywhere from 0.25 - 0.30 volts for each cycle then it takes a couple of seconds for the battery voltage to rebound back. The battery will register a slightly lower voltage since power has been drawn from it, this drop off can not get too low or the solenoid will misfire and not disengage the sear. Using a 9 volt battery that has maximum output of about 9.5 volts brand new will reach that drop off point much quicker than a 9.6 volt rechargeable battery that usually maxes out at about 11.50 volts fully charged.

swoosh81
06-29-2007, 05:23 PM
I still don't see how it would effect it recocking. The battery has nothing to do with that (in theory). Just disengaging the sear to fire. Maybe I'm being blind but I don't think so.

I did a test with the eyes off and the sear just keeps tripping even though it didn't recock the hole way. So it's hard for me to believe the battery is the problem.

I just think it's the shootdown of the reg. Could I possibly have a bad regulator? :confused: If I do, then there's a bunch more of them here in central pa. with all the other guys having the same problem.

Thanks for the input drefish99 it is much apreciated.

spitfirocks
06-29-2007, 09:25 PM
With my cp reg, i can get a mere 25 bps in Auto responce mode at 190 psi..it never decocks.

el marco
06-30-2007, 04:24 AM
The stock regulator on the VS2/VS3 is pretty mediocre. The reg on my VS3 has already been rebuilt once, and I'm still seeing +/- 15 fps when shooting over a chrono - I'll have one shot at 260 fps, the next at 240, the next at 270. This is with my dye 68/4500 tank. On the plus side, I'm running at about 230psi on the guage, and so far I've had zero recocking issues. I only shoot in semi with the stock board.

On the other hand, putting the same hpa tank on my Tippmann 98c with a palmers stabilizer give about +/- 3 fps.

I'm strong considering replacing the stock reg/asa combo with the CP bleed on/off and shorty reg.

swoosh81
06-30-2007, 02:27 PM
Well I guess I have time to get all the new parts I want, since my tboard has gone bad for the second time in a week and a half. Anyone wanting a tboard for there vs2 here's my advice go with a virtue.

mr1gunner
06-30-2007, 08:56 PM
Well with my VS2 at the chrono it's pretty consistent with my hpa tank. The only problem that happend to me at my scenario was that the pressure went up to around 300 when i set it at 210. I got so scared and tried to lower the pressure but coudlnt. Had to wait some time but it went down.

mr1gunner
06-30-2007, 08:56 PM
Well with my VS2 at the chrono it's pretty consistent with my hpa tank. The only problem that happend to me at my scenario was that the pressure went up to around 300 when i set it at 210. I got so scared and tried to lower the pressure but coudlnt. Had to wait some time but it went down. Also can someone give me a site to buy the cp reg and asa. And do u have to any modifications to the asa to fit the VS2?

Critical
07-01-2007, 04:20 AM
You can buy them here (http://www.customproducts.us)
If you buy the CP regulator, you will also need to get the regulator adapter, the VS2 does not use standard threads like everyone else does. You should not need any modifications to fit the ASA to the VS2.

swoosh81
07-04-2007, 12:53 PM
Hey guys quick question. I was told by another individual with a cp dovetail asa that it doesn't fit the vs2. Is this true or is it just some bullcrap?

KillerPanther
07-04-2007, 04:10 PM
i have a dovetail on my vs2 trigger frame so yes it does fit

swoosh81
07-04-2007, 04:32 PM
Thanks killerpanther. I'm glad i saw the picture of your gun with the asa on it, now I know I'm not gonna put a drop on mine.

KillerPanther
07-05-2007, 11:49 AM
glad to help out

Mongo
07-07-2007, 07:10 AM
have you guys tried polishing your striker and hammer? I had to operate at 300 before I did this and I'm operating about 230-240ish now.

Griff
07-07-2007, 04:00 PM
Does any one know if the trinity drop forwards will fit the stock reg. ?

Tcheno
07-07-2007, 04:06 PM
have you guys tried polishing your striker and hammer? I had to operate at 300 before I did this and I'm operating about 230-240ish now.

Quick one.. aren't dose the very same thing?! :rolleyes:

Polishing your hammer, valve tube, sear and using a good reg should take you to even lower pressure. ;)

swoosh81
07-16-2007, 12:04 PM
update-I put the trinity front block, cp reg. and ndz asa on my gun. Finally got around to shooting it today. After getting it tuned in I'm running at 180 psi shooting 285-290 fps. Started rippin in psp ramping and holy sh*t. This gun is absolutely awesome, now I just can't wait to get to the local field. I liked this gun before I did anything to it and now I absolutely love it. I really don't care what anyone says it was worth every penny I dropped on it. The reg. itself I just can't wait till it gets broken in, I'm only seeing variances of 5 fps with it new. Thanks to all who helped me get this thing the way it is.

KillerPanther
07-16-2007, 12:32 PM
awesome dude glad to hear you got everything and like it all

Zues
01-10-2008, 06:49 PM
hey PANTHER how did u put ur CP ASA dovetail onto ur gun? Is there like screws that come with it..?

KillerPanther
01-12-2008, 08:46 PM
The CP dovetail comes with no screws, My dovetail is held on with the stock screw that held on the stock equipment.