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Xaviar
04-26-2007, 07:37 PM
Greetings everyone! I am rather new to the spyder forums, but not to the products!

I bought a Spyder One back in early 1995 as my first paintball gun and have used it quite often to play on public paintball fields aswell as on private property. I have only had 2 upgrades to it(in 1996); an ugly stick barrel and a cyclone venturi bolt. While I have not been too active in recent years, this upcoming summer will probably be full of games. With that being said; are there any upgrades around that my marker is still compatible with that would be worth getting?

While I have not had any problems outside seals/o-rings breaking over the last 12 years, I cant help but notice that my gun doesnt seem to perform quite up to that of modern markers.

To give you a rough idea what I have here are some photos:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/XaviarCraig/mypggun-1.jpg

Close up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/XaviarCraig/mypggun-2a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/XaviarCraig/mypggun-2b.jpg

Here is the original bolt I still have:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/XaviarCraig/mypgbolt.jpg

MVS1
04-26-2007, 08:05 PM
Upgrades??? Well that all comes down to how attached you are to your "first-love". You can quickly drop more than a new "High-End" spyder marker to get your One up to speed with what's out now or you can be the cool guy with the crazy mod'd "old-school" marker.
Here's the question, do you want to throw paint like there's no tomorrow, like the kids (yeah I know I'm not a kid but my markers can definitley empty your paint budget in a hurry) that are only interested in how many BPS their marker can shoot or are you interested in "one-shot-one-kill". Spending your money in the right place for what you want to do is most important.
BTW...welcome back :cool:

graphics360
04-26-2007, 08:42 PM
thats pretty cool seeing a spyder from 1955....
i wouldnt play with that thing id make a display for it its in such perfect condition

a friend of mine collects markers and has quite a few vintage ones

CHAOSFTW
04-27-2007, 03:32 AM
its 1995 not 1955

Xaviar
04-27-2007, 04:00 AM
MVS1, I am much more interested in the "one-shot-one-kill" idea rather than making my marker all to shoot faster. But, if possible I would like some ideas from both sides since ya never know! I have some time before I go ordering parts, and I kinda wanna know what to look into and what nto avoid since I am pretty sure alot has changed since I orginally started(Hell, I am the only person nowadays using a 35 round hopper! Everyone else has like a small bucket of paint!)

Graphics360, While its not quite that old, Is sure can make it look that old(actually older!) with some electrical tape, a scope and an old M-14 stock(as seen below!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/XaviarCraig/mypggun-3.jpg

Oscum Guy
04-27-2007, 10:57 AM
that is a very nice spyder. in great condition too! is it a fatty or slim striker body?

spanky1205
04-27-2007, 12:01 PM
It has the fatty style striker. As far as upgrades go there are still alot around to be had. In my opinion I would go with a shorter barrel and a motorized hopper to start. You can upgrade the valve with just about any one the market. I put a Spyder Imagine Electric trigger frame on my old grey body spyder. You could also add a spring kit and a reg. You will have to find a vertical adapter that fits your spyder before adding a reg. to your gun. They exist but may be hard to find. I got mine awhile ago. If a reg is in your future you will have to buy the thread adapters for your existing steel hose. You can still buy a new bolt for your gun but you will have to make sure it is for a side cocking gun and not a rear or top cocking spyder. If you are out for comfort you could add a pair of sticky grips. Before you start buying parts I woulds suggest figuring out exactly what you want to do with your spyder first. Some Low pressure mods will not work with out other mods first. What I have listed is more of an over view of what you could still get. Ah before I forget HPA is always a good upgrade. Its all up to you.

Sorry this post is all over the place and somewhat difficult to read. I was trying to tpye it while at work.

Oscum Guy
04-27-2007, 12:04 PM
It has the fatty style striker. As far as upgrades go there are still alot around to be had. In my opinion I would go with a shorter barrel and a motorized hopper to start. You can upgrade the valve with just about any one the market. I put a Spyder Imagine Electric trigger frame on my old grey body spyder. You could also add a spring kit and a reg. You will have to find a vertical adapter that fits your spyder before adding a reg. to your gun. They exist but may be hard to find. I got mine awhile ago. If a reg is in your future you will have to buy the thread adapters for your existing steel hose. You can still buy a new bolt for your gun but you will have to make sure it is for a side cocking gun and not a rear or top cocking spyder. If you are out for comfort you could add a pair of sticky grips. Before you start buying parts I woulds suggest figuring out exactly what you want to do with your spyder first. Some Low pressure mods will not work with out other mods first. What I have listed is more of an over view of what you could still get. Ah before I forget HPA is always a good upgrade. Its all up to you.

Sorry this post is all over the place and somewhat difficult to read. I was trying to tpye it while at work.
wont the valve have to be fatty tho?

spanky1205
04-27-2007, 12:07 PM
I dont think so. I will have to look at that. I am pretty sure I read somewhere all of the valves are the same diameter. I will have to try switching the valves from my imagine and my grey spyder.

VagabondStarJXF
04-27-2007, 02:21 PM
You could get an ACP fatty striker, newer barrel and a new bolt (ACP also do a bolts that'll fit). Your Spyder One won't fire as fast as an eMarker but it'll still be cool, or at least I think so.

spanky1205
04-27-2007, 03:02 PM
Your Spyder One won't fire as fast as an eMarker but it'll still be cool, or at least I think so.

Mine keeps up with my eframe from an imagine. Granted I have installed a reg, spring kit, and lp bolt. Most all spyders work from the same conscepts.

Xaviar
04-27-2007, 05:43 PM
Anything wrong with the old 21inch ugly sticks? More than one person suggested getting a different one.

Mech Warrior
04-27-2007, 06:49 PM
A barrel that long is just gas-inefficient, that's all. You really don't need more than a 12" or 14" barrel. But if you like it, use it. I think it looks sweet.

The only upgrade I'd suggest is a 200-round hopper. Maybe some new internals: a lighter bolt and striker, maybe a spring kit just to play around with. But I wouldn't change anything else.

Maybe some decent .45 grips. Something old school, like some authentic wood 1911A1 grip panels. Or maybe some pearl ones, if you're feeling particularly gay. :dancing:

VagabondStarJXF
04-28-2007, 04:00 AM
Mine keeps up with my eframe from an imagine. Granted I have installed a reg, spring kit, and lp bolt. Most all spyders work from the same conscepts.
:confused: So you fire slowly with an eFrame? I'm particularly fast with my stock mech frame but I still can't push much past the 4bps average constant fire rate with it. With a stock eFrame I generally go beyond 10bps without even trying, hitting 14-15bps average if I really push myself. It's a moot point really as people fire differently from one another but... d'you really fire that slowly with your eFrame? Or do you fire that much faster with your mech frame?

spanky1205
04-30-2007, 09:10 AM
VagabondStarJXF, I do not want to jack this thread as we could go back and forth all day long. As friends of course I do not mean to come off as arragent or rude. I am confident I can shoot over 4 bps with my current setup and not have any breaks. If you would like to trade thoughts via pm that is fine with me.

My initial point about the etrigger on a grey body spyder was you can keep up with most newer spyders in a woods ball situation. Where laying down paint is not always needed to get the job done. In this situation I have not noticed a great difference between my spyder and my friends etrigger spyders. I should have specified this. On a speedball field it maybe different. I do not play speedball and can not comment to such. Sorry if I have mislead anyone.

VagabondStarJXF
04-30-2007, 11:22 AM
Xaviar - I don't think you'd absolutely need to have an eFrame. Mech Spyders are cool. It's one of the main reasons why the first Spyder I bought was a Spyder Rodeo. I now do 'projects' because I got fed up with changing my Rodeo's setup back and forth between mech and electro.

If you use different size paint all the time I recommend getting a decent barrel kit. Spyder threads haven't changed over the years so an Evil Pipe or Empire barrel kit would be handy for all those different size variations. If you're lucky enough to always use the same sized paint then just get one decent barrel like the Dye Ultralight or something. As it was pointed out before you won't need anything over the 12"-14" length. 8" is all that's needed to propell the ball (apparently) and everything else after that is just to help guide it. Too much and it'll slow down your shot. Some people I know use nothing but 16" barrels. It's a preference thing.

If you want to go the low pressure route to up your gas efficiency and reduce kick then get a cupped 'n polished striker (or mod a stock one), a high flow valve, a decent high flow bolt, a springs kit, a high flow VA and a decent reg. Otter did a complete write up on the process with some recommendations for parts. Check out his site for more info.

I can't think of anything else right now... And sorry if this next bit jacks your thread a little but I think this friendly discussion might help you decide about upgrading 'n stuff. :D



Spanky1205 - Hey Spanky. My point was just that eFrames allow people to fire really fast and you came across like you were saying that a mech frame shoots just as fast as an eFrame. I wasn't trying to be as sarcastic as it came across as. I really was curious about how fast you fired with a mech frame. Anything faster than 4bps with a mech frame is impressive. I've only managed it once in a while because I end up just switching to an eFrame if I want to fire fast.

I know what you mean about not needing to constantly shoot ropes in woodsball but I frequently use my eFrame'd Spyder in woodsball so that I have the capability to do so should I need it. There have been times where a sudden major skirmish has been decided with the extra paint that was flying. Single shot for single shot I'd agree with you though. All markers would be chrono'd to the same speed so every marker should keep up. The only plus point is that an eFrame can be set up to be almost 'hair trigger' like without much effort. That might be advantageous to some. Besides that it really should only take one shot to get your kill, particularly in woodsball. This being the case I'm actually in the process of building up a dedicated woodsball mech Spyder out of a Spyder Shutter. I would've loved to have had a Spyder One or similar to do it with. Xaviar's one looks really nice as it is.

I'll keep to PM's if we decide to discuss this further. I just though this bit of the discussion might help Xaviar out a little. :D :cool:

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