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vikingshadow
01-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Ok, I've decided to take the plunge....

not THAT kind of plunge! Hahahaha!

This is long, so don't come in and post tl;dr as it's important background you have to know first. I need support and backup for this to let me have an idea that it's the right thing to do. I've talked it over with my family, and friends, and some of you are really good listening friends as well, so here goes:

As most of you know, I'm a teacher. Teacher's have to be certified before they can teach, which for a lot of teachers is enough. I've always said - and strongly believe, even before teaching, "If you aren't moving up, or trying to improve yourself in your present situation, it's time to be moving on to something else."

Well, once you become a teacher, it's pretty limited to how you can move up. You can become a principal, get your master's, move to a larger district, move into higher education (college), but not much else. However, there's one thing that's getting a bit of press right now, and that's to become a National Board Certified Professional teacher, or NBCPT.

This is tough! You have to have taught for at least 3 full years before you apply, get letters of recommendation from principals, superintendents, your senator and representative and two other building personal at your school. The entry form for the SCHOLARSHIP ALONE requires a 3-page written paper about the 5 attributes of the NBCPT program, a 2-page paper on your philosophy of teaching, a 2-page paper on a recent experience that has impacted the teacher's teaching or learning, and a 1-page paper on the knowledge and plans to commit to the process of the NBCPT....and you STILL might not be accepted. The program costs $2000.00 to participate, as well as $360.00 per test per subject area with a minimum of 8 tests for elementary teachers (which I am considered elementary.) Most teachers don't go through the program if they don't get the scholarship...understandably!

Then, once you get accepted, it's an intensive 12-month process where the teacher has to document EVERY lesson, track students, video themselves teaching classes, submit portfolios of before and after work, etc...it's VERY time consuming and stressful. At the end of the program, you have to take a battery of tests to prove what you learned, and from what I hear, it makes a thesis defense during a Master's examination look like preschool. Most teachers fail the first time out, and then they have up to 3 years to complete the program. It's so tough, I know a teacher who worked very, very hard last year, and failed by 2 points. 2 points! It was so tough, she doesn't know if she wants to go back and try again.

The perks for such a program? It's VERY prestegious, and basically, if you pass, you are extremely HIGHLY qualified to teach in ANY of the 50 states in the subject area you tested in. You're selected to become a mentor teacher in just about every town you live in, automatically! Financially, in Oklahoma right now, if you pass, you get a $5000.00 bonus every year for 10 years - total $50,000.00 (minus taxes of course - of which Oklahoma has one of the highest tax rates in the nation...) before you have to go through the process again. However, as an added bonus, within the next two years, it's been proposed because of the new lottery laws they passed, the teacher could get up to 10,000.00 a year for 10 years for a total of $100,000.00 in ten years - on top of your yearly salary! WOW! Teachers NEVER see that kind of money until the reach doctorate level, and not in Oklahoma ever!

Well, here's the rub: because I've won an award for outstanding educator every year since I started (and Teacher of the Year last year) and my student's test scores, my school counselor, my building principal, another teacher and the board of superintendents decided last year that I should attempt this program. I had to wait until this year though, due to eligibility requirements. They did a group gang up thing, and well, now I think I've decided to go through the program.

I'm nervous as heck - I haven't been a student in 12 years! I love my job, and I want to move up, but it's very difficult and the thought of failure is pretty daunting. The money sounds great, but the time it takes to do this program is HUGE. I have so much on my plate already.

Someone help me with my confidence here....tell me to go through this thing! Oh, and you students, if you have an NBCPT in your school, respect them, because they know what they're doing!

chubb0rz
01-26-2006, 03:34 PM
That is something to strive for vik. Try not to thinking of it as failing because if you dont complete it I know you will have at least learned something from it or have bettered yourself while doing it. I give you :thumbup: :thumbup:

covert24
01-26-2006, 03:47 PM
i cant veen imagine how much work that is. i was nervous on a 2 page paper that i had to do. but u get through it. everything works out for the best and if u put urmind to it and believe in urself. u will pass with flyingcolors. all it takes is confidence and some hard work and u can get throguh jsut about anything. go for it man. Ill give u 3:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: and a :waytogo: after u complete it.

TacTownKilla
01-26-2006, 03:52 PM
tldr:dodgy:

marvin-martian
01-26-2006, 04:12 PM
it definatly sounds like something you should do, even if it means packing up your gear for a little bit. work comes before play, and it sounds like this is some serious work youve got ahead of you.

03TiburonGT
01-26-2006, 04:14 PM
You could totally do this vike, that teacher of the year award was for a reason yknow!

Baller-59
01-26-2006, 04:28 PM
I think it'd be easier to find a new career. But if you love what you do then just stick with it. I find that the teachers that actually enjoy teaching do the best job at getting the lessons across. The worst thing that can happen is that they can say no. how many times have you heard that before?

colonel_moo
01-26-2006, 05:04 PM
just take it one step at a time. dont think of ALL that stuff you have to do, just do one thing at one time, like one paper, one test, etc.

its like my science projects that ive had to do for the past 3 years. at the end of the project, i have to write a 40+ page paper (1.5 spaced usually). thats ALOT to do, but i divide it up into chunks, and write it over the course of about a month and a half, and its alot more manageable. this is only the END of the project too, the rest of the year is full of experimenting, redesigning , and re-experimenting. its really a beast of a project. it really separates the men from the boys (figuratively speaking). most students dont even bother to take honors science because of this project alone, its not like they cant handle the course, its just the project turns them off to the whole thing.

tl:dr, take it one step at a time.

03TiburonGT
01-26-2006, 05:07 PM
i have to write a 40+ page paper (1.5 spaced usually). thats ALOT to do, but i divide it up into chunks, and write it over the course of about a month and a half

Yeah I learned that the hard way, 47 page report from 4:30 Sunday evening to 5:15 Monday morning. That was a rough night.

colonel_moo
01-26-2006, 05:11 PM
Yeah I learned that the hard way, 47 page report from 4:30 Sunday evening to 5:15 Monday morning. That was a rough night.

you must not have done too great on it either :dodgy:

03TiburonGT
01-26-2006, 05:18 PM
you must not have done too great on it either :dodgy:

actually I got a 92....

but back on topic i think that vike, you could definetly do this, it would be a big committment but I'm sure that myself and everybody here agrees that you could do it!

vikingshadow
01-26-2006, 06:33 PM
Thanks, guys!

This is one of the biggest decisions job-wise I've had to make, and it's been eating at me awhile. I think the money (both before and after,) the time it'll take and the effort, the possibility of failure all added up to some anxiety. I may be grumpy next year for a whole year - but I'll make it!

DFSniper
01-27-2006, 01:05 AM
go for it! with the award and all the support, you could pull it off. plus, you might surprise yourself with what you can accomplish. i had to write a 3 1/2-4 page comparison of Jane Eyre and Medea, and we ended up having 2 months to do it, but i didnt think i could pull it off. we weren't supposed to cover a lot of plot either. i ended up writing a 2 page paper that used (what i felt) a lot of plot to compare them, and as i was leaving school yesterday, my teacher came up to me and said i was an excellent writer. it shocked me because i thought it was the worst essay i ever wrote. personally, i think the reward at the end will be worth it, even if you have to go on temoporary paintball-hiatus (which is really hard if you like to play a lot, and im speaking from unvoluntary experience here)

DRAGON
01-27-2006, 01:30 AM
tldr:dodgy:


^^ Voted least likely to succeed ^^ :dodgy:


Well like my ol bud El Franko-DR used to say, "You have nothing to fear, but fear itself". Nothin stopping you but air and opportunity Vik. Don't let self-doubt hold you back from what appears to be what you deserve. Too bad paintball wasn't involved with the test. I could help you with your homework - :waytogo: :waytogo: <-------2 TU's from the ol Drago ;)

vikingshadow
01-27-2006, 04:30 AM
Hehehe! Yeah, I'd hope to pass with flying colors on that!

Just so you guys know, it's not the papers that I have to write that have me comfuzzled....that's the EASY part! That's just to get the scholarship to get ENTERED into the program! The program is the hard part...

But, I slept on it, feel a bit better about it and I'm gonna do it! Think of that - 50,000.00 - 100,000.00 to spend on paintball....erhm, the family! Oh, yeah, and the prestige...:rolleyes:

shunut
01-27-2006, 05:17 AM
This sounds like an excellent opportunity no matter how hard it is. For how I've gotten to know you over the past year, through the support thread and everything else you seem like the kind of guy who always wants to be better. Not better than everyone else, just want more for yourself and family, which I think is awesome. I say you go for it, besides the enrollment and testing fees you have nothing to lose, you can only gain here. Even if you don't pass the first time, you will still have learned something. And just like the weight loss support thread, you'll always have us here to back you up. Let us know what you decide, but I don't want to see a post here saying you decided not to do it.



edited: Didn't see your response right there above mine, I'm glad that you are going to do this Vike.

:hugs: :waytogo: :applause:

●JUSTIN●
01-27-2006, 05:18 AM
Like everything else in life, if you want success you have to work for it. So I say get after it!

DexGtr
01-27-2006, 07:50 AM
Go for it dude....coz if you don't you'll just wonder all your life..."what if i made it?"

and btw since you'll be busy.....how much will you be sellin that shocker for? :p

vikingshadow
01-27-2006, 09:21 AM
Hehehe! I think I actually figured out how to handle the stress part. I'll still be ballin', but I'll probably have to severely limit it to Sundays and holiday type dates. I figure with all that pent up stress from a whole week, I'll be on fire on Sunday and at tournaments. Then, as soon as I pass the exams and start getting those bonuses, I'll be one heck of a Division player!

durrell
01-27-2006, 10:24 AM
I suggest you do it vike, it raises your pay alot. Im considering becoming a teacher and I know if I do I'm definitely going towards my National Boards. My mom never did it, but if she goes back to teaching after all of her kids graduate then she'll get it..go for it man.

colonel_moo
01-27-2006, 12:12 PM
go for it! with the award and all the support, you could pull it off. plus, you might surprise yourself with what you can accomplish. i had to write a 3 1/2-4 page comparison of Jane Eyre and Medea, and we ended up having 2 months to do it, but i didnt think i could pull it off. we weren't supposed to cover a lot of plot either. i ended up writing a 2 page paper that used (what i felt) a lot of plot to compare them, and as i was leaving school yesterday, my teacher came up to me and said i was an excellent writer. it shocked me because i thought it was the worst essay i ever wrote. personally, i think the reward at the end will be worth it, even if you have to go on temoporary paintball-hiatus (which is really hard if you like to play a lot, and im speaking from unvoluntary experience here)

2 months to write two pages and you thought you couldnt do it? Jane Eyre is the worst book ever though. i had to read it in two weeks for british lit... worst two weeks of my life :dodgy:


but yeah, who knows vike... it might end up being easier than you thought!

MatthewTheTheif
01-27-2006, 12:50 PM
My old english teacher (cough cough) just passed that test and was recognized, she knows her stuff alright

i think you should go for it vike, its something that you want, and if your not willing to take the chance of failing, your not ready for it, so if you are ready, failure shouldnt even be a thought, just give it your all and you do as well as you can and that should be good enough for you, because you know you tried your hardest.

phatphil
01-27-2006, 02:47 PM
Hmm, seems like an unmeasurable amount of time invested for something so risky. I would say go back to school (with scholarships) to get your Master's Degree and aim for the principal position.

Recon by Fire
01-27-2006, 05:34 PM
You should eventually move to administration, Vike. That is where the money is at! Plus it would not hurt to have some reasonable thinking people in charge at a few ISD's!

vikingshadow
01-27-2006, 05:40 PM
Oh, but administration is a big pain in the yoohoos. I see what those people go through, and honestly, I don't think that's for me. Actually, I'm leaning more towards the University level - that's been a dream for quite awhile now.

Of course, once I get this thing taken care of, then I have to take another step...and administration may be just the thing.

Baller-59
01-27-2006, 07:03 PM
^^ Voted least likely to succeed ^^ :dodgy:


don't you mean most likely to get banned?:nododgy:

TheRedBarron
01-27-2006, 08:24 PM
don't you mean most likely to get banned?:nododgy:

same thing

And Vike go for it. I think you can pull it off.

DJ Katt RMX
01-28-2006, 09:41 AM
Well, here's the rub: because I've won an award for outstanding educator every year since I started (and Teacher of the Year last year) and my student's test scores, my school counselor, my building principal, another teacher and the board of superintendents decided last year that I should attempt this program. I had to wait until this year though, due to eligibility requirements. They did a group gang up thing, and well, now I think I've decided to go through the program.
it's a fluke! don't let it get your hopes up, on the inside you're a dismal failure and you'll be very embarrassed in the end of this whole ordeal!






lol jk, go for it and good luck, holmes!

vikingshadow
02-04-2006, 02:39 PM
Well, FINALLY finished the blessed application! Took a couple of weekends (gotta do it just right, you know) and now all I have to do is get my Senator's and Representative's letters of recommendation. But the hard part is over!

Gonna have a colleague of mine check it over and then drop it in the mail this week. Funny thing is, it's due February 25th and I've NEVER finished anything 2 weeks ahead of schedule...

WhatThaSmurf
02-04-2006, 02:46 PM
The best of luck!

durrell
02-04-2006, 03:00 PM
Good luck vike..I know how big this is cause my mom is a teacher too..:p

Chris Cole
02-04-2006, 03:02 PM
Do it Vike.

vikingshadow
02-04-2006, 04:02 PM
Well, I'm digging in and doing it! I think I was just stressing too much (there are 3 of us doing it in the same building and the thought that they get it and I might not bruises the male ego a bit...)

But while I was typing, I got pretty excited about it so I'm totally commited! Just have to get that scholarship now...